I understand your dilemma Charles - I am a Christian Deist and it's worth researching Deists of the past. I believe in a Creator but I use Jesus to guide my moral code in my Earth-walk, where I am priviledged to learn the subtlies of the Universe as created by the Almighty upon whom I cannot view.

"Why is it that some men fail to show appreciation for the Creator but others do? What reasons can you give for man’s living on the earth rather than on the moon? How strange, then, that so many rulers and persons of wealth who often reside in the most beautiful natural surroundings show little or no appreciation for God, the Creator. How infrequently men realise that the earth and man upon it, in fact, all the universe, are fully depend upon our Maker."

"So hear the word of God you boasters, you rulers of this people in Jerusalem. For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death. And with the Grave we have made an agreement. When the raging flash flood passes through, it will not reach us, for we have made a lie our refuge "

[Isaiah 28:14-15]

It has been written for millenia and the ancients knew the truth.



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Fellow Christian Deist here. Charles, I believe you’re a taoist

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He is Worldwide Church of God. Either Herbert or Garner. Trump University 19?

Elementary my dear Watson I grew up in a library.

He has learned lines well. Herbert and Garner didn't try to sell to Jews but they ain't making Jews Like Jesus Anymore.


I am a terrible bridge player but I play mind games in my sleep.

Charles is a whole lot of fun. I told him it would get Darker and I love him for coming on this journey.

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Thanks for that link. What an amazing group of singers. Kinky Friedman rules.

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Thanks Charles. I loved Guy Clark

not just homegrown tomatoes but I dance like nobody's watching with my wife in our rockers.


My wife tells me KINKY's mystery novels might tickle your fancy they are for searchers after truth. I must admit the Worldwide Church of God employed great talent but you needed some comedy. Where was Reiner and Brooks?

How about a funny thing happened on the Way to the Forum


Always think of more things to say but you can get Elvis Jesus and Coca Cola in French as well as English. It is from Paris not Montreal. Montreal has declared all religion EVIL there is even a war on Elvis.

Happiness depends upon ourselves. There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power of our will. There is only one happiness in this life, to love and be loved. If you want to be happy, be. SAmuel Clemens

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That is a great album by a great singer. My favorite cut is the title song with Emmy Lu harmonizing with Guy.

I agree completely with your final paragraph...... but how can I be happy when you tell me there is a war on Elvis?

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I just returned from Amazon.com.

Which of Kinky's mysteries do you think I would enjoy? My favorite author is Dashiell Hammett and convoluted mysteries are my meat.

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That Sir is my problem as well. I understand if it ain't Country it ain't music Opera is an acquired taste I got from watching Looney Tunes and I loved leaving Chicago after the Ring Cycle.

I love the sound of bagpipes either Irish or Scot but Robbie Burns not Shakespeare is my Bard and this is my God Save the King


We listened to it on the night we met on Vinyl an in person after a Stampede Party in Calgary for Jewish singles.

Don't seek what can't be found is the part left out by antiChristians.

We grow old shit happens but Life's been good to me.

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Before I respond to you and Mystic William thank you for the opportunity it is Snark Hunting Season and the snow is falling.


I must confess I can't find my Torah concordance which translates the Hebrew Text and will confine myself to the Eastern and Greek Translations. There were no Jews allowed in England when they translated the Greek and Latin and Shakespeare never met a Jew of Malta or Venice they were boogeymen bent on stealing Christian souls.


It took the English Civil War to again permit Jews in England and English North America.


From Surpassing Wonder The invention of the Bible and the Talmuds Donald Harman Akenson Harcourt Brace 1998 McGill or Queen's Press

Chapter 3 Returning with Yahweh to Jerusalem pg 65The first portion of Isiah (chapters 91-39; later however additional sections would be attached to this basic document, but that was in the future.

From the Eastern Script

14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord O You scornful men who rule this people that is in Jerusalem.

15 Because you have said , We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol we have made an agreement; when the the overflowing scourge shall be pass through, it shall not come to us ; for we have placed our hope in lies, and under falsehood we have hid ourselves.


Jefferson had a Koran when he wrote The American Bible for everyone in 1820 and said stone tablets turn to dust and evolution is God's design for the universe.

I would suggest before you commit to this discussion some preliminary reading and listening like the 1976 lecture in my opening comment and let us call Legends of the Bible Louis Ginzburg Jewish Publication society suggest reading 1909 my edition is 1956 but it is available at Amazon.

Nobody in the Court of King James knew Aramaic either modern like Gaza, ancient like Israel or middle like Herod.

Jews were not permitted by English law from the Crusades to Cromwell. William of Orange was a Calvinist surprise, surprise, surprise. New York has Jews surprise surprise surprise. Calvinist believe in education education education. In my Jewish ghetto menshkeit meant more than fame and fortune the library and hospital was where the leaders hung out. The synagogue was for the sheep and the mystics like Leonard Cohen who led the Country and Western Band at Westmount High School where Kamala went to school.

Why don't you visit Kamala's High School? It is walking distance from the best downtown in America. It is still the best school taxpayer's money can buy and you can walk the streets 24/07/365 and only fear the drivers just stay close to the pedestrians and away from the uber drivers. See how Jesus wanted his followers to behave.

In Quebec race, gender and religion are ancient superstition so we can be real CHRISTIANS and SECULAR HUMANISTS. The gods don't need us and we need to say I am my brother's keeper.

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Fascinating. I had not heard of Clifford's Tower and your reference to the "Eastern Script" left me mystified. I'm guessing this is a translation of the Bible that the Orthodox Church reads? Over the years I have owned dozens of Bibles - my favorite being the ROTHERHAM EMPHASIZED and my favorite version of the Gospels is, without a doubt, Jefferson's LIFE AND MORALS OF JESUS OF NAZARETH. I've had interlinear bibles and I still own a copy of the New World translation. I think you said before that you live in or near Quebec. Forgive an old man his failing memory.

I find no reason to reread a book I have read through a few times. There are no surprises or insights that I believe would benefit me.

Did I mention that I was a great fan of Herbert Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God? His belief that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday - just before the Passover Sabbath - and that He rose on Saturday rings true to me. The fact that Isis, Osiris, and Horus were worshipped as the Trinity long before Jesus became a disciple of John the Baptist tells me that all cultures have similar myths and, frankly, I'm tired of them.

Your belief that gender and race are ancient superstitious strikes me as incredible and not up to your usual intellectual standards.

Besides the nightmarish fantasy that our father/god would torture us for eternity, the story of a "virgin birth" has always struck me as insane and outside the bounds of natural science.

Besides turning water into wine, Jesus never performed any magic until he was baptized. As Jesus himself noted, many Jews of his time believed that the baptizer was Elijah reincarnated. Maybe John, a man almost impossible to learn about in the 21st century was actually the Promised One and Jesus was simply a follower and a radical determined to overthrow Rome.

Who knows? I don't think it matters. I just know that only Rome had the right to crucify a man and the Jews have been condemned for centuries simply for existing.

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The Orthodox are Athenian that is about as Western as it gets in Civilization



1933 copyright A J Holman Harper Collins

ARAMAIC as in Palestine, Roman Judea and Ancient ISRAEL

Like so many things I don't understand . I 've been called a mystic much more than once or twice and have no idea what that means. I failed kindergarten and at fifteen things got interesting when I found my tongue. In Quebec all religion is officially EVIL but when I was born St John the Baptist was the PATRON SAINT of QUEBEC. He was never a Christian unless he too rose from the dead.

How can a non Christian be a Saint? How can a Jew be a Prince? We can't build library shelves fast enough my wife is a reading addict. We eat well but spend more books than food and I can't find some major references as we build more bookshelves. You want mysticism .

How Dark do you want to go? Twain said the worst hell is Heaven. Maybe I can help you understand the mystic quest and its Quixotic nature. Rushdie is quite the philosopher. They say I am wide spectrum Deist, Adventist, Rosicrucian, Herbert's Wonderful World Tomorrow had no Jews. What would believers do if there was no Messiah coming. It would be absurd like waiting for Godot.

It is the worship of the occult of ultraorthodox Jews and the Amboise Bierce ABRACADABRANS. That was what was the Matter with Kansas.,


Mackenzie KIng came up with the phrase None is too many for Jewish refugees wanting refuge in Canada after 1939. He was a first class Nazi and Prime Minister of Canada. The Park beside The Jewish Public Library in Montreal is named for a designer of the final solution.

Matthew 5 :5 From the Greek

The gentle are in luck: hey will inherit the Earth

Matthew 5:5 From the Aramaic

The meek shall inherit the Earth

Latin same as Aramaic but The gentle are in luck how unAmerican can you get?

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I suspect that Ambrose Bierce was a mystic and, like Plato, had a direct connection to the Almighty.

Americans can never be accused of being either meek or gentle. Our time as a world leader ended when the coup of November, 2020 occurred. It will be interesting to see if Biden's war of aggression and the 4th Reich will succeed against the BRICS.

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Thank you Charles my copy of James 1 to the Great Republic just arrived yesterday and my wife has already read it and I await more REAL history from real historians not Beschloss, Meacham, and Godwin.

I remember when Chris Hedges attacked Steven Pinker for being a Jew and believing in evolution and Pandora's Jar where only hope resides. I cannot see the future. The Story of Jonah and Leviathan is not Hobbesian. It says even God himself has no crystal ball. We read it on the Day of Atonement as the Day of Judgement draws to a close.

Wilson was a NAZI, Hitler was A FOLLOWER OF NIETZHE.




MUSOLINI Much more than Hitler he was the nascent modern Heroic leader. Mussolini combined the interests of corporates with public relations and the WWE.

Oh I made and editing mistake. The was no WWE in 1994 WWE was sport when the fascists ruled Italy.

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I do not recognize the name Steven Pinker and only have vague memories of Chris Hedges. Although I am a gentile (and a prophet), I believe the Jews are God's people and their success in most fields make others hate them.

In 2023, almost anyone can see what the future holds. Will America have its first-ever president making decisions from a deluxe prison built just for him? Now, THAT'S an interesting question.

Will Biden's 4th Reich succeed in conquering the world in 9 months or will he be remembered as Amerika's Caligula? Those are two other questions I cannot answer.

On the other hand, it is easy to see that the Biden Crime Syndicate is the most corrupt family ever to steal admittance to the White House and his aggression against Russia and China has led us into WW III. Anyone can see this.

As the Bible say, "He that has eyes, let him see."

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Wonderful Sir, you have the drop on me, no doubt, because I am merely a simple soul and follow the teachings of Jesus because I have never been able to counter His wisdom. But I do know that the meek shall inherit the Earth if that's OK with you.



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The Byrds - Jesus Is Just Alright - 9/23/1970 - YouTube

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PS. I don't feel the resurrection was necessary. the Sermon on the Mount was sufficient for me and I agree that the meek will inherit the Earth at some point.

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The Arrogant Worms

Jesus Brother Bob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc5q142NFkA 😉

Keep in mind I went to Protestant School and John Donne wrote many meditations as did William Blake and I am a big fan of Hildegarde von Bingen or as she is now known Sainte Hildegarde (the Mystic).

What do you think of Israel's lecture on anti-Semitism?

Only someone who loves Jesus as much as Israel can understand why Jesus still weeps.

From the Covenant Irving Layton 1977


I used to hate Stalin

but I no longer do.

That's interesting. Why?

Why do you suppose? Because he killed off

communists by the millions.

Phew is that your only reason?

It is a long poem ending

Sounds absurd to me . Still you may be right.

What are you going down on your knees for?

To pray to God send us soon another such Christian. 😥

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First of all, I love the song. Secondly, as a retired Rosicrucian, I am very familiar with William Blake.

Israel's lecture on anti-Semitism? I'm ignorant of it. Maybe it was broadcast on television. I haven't had any of that in a year. And I'm a calmer and happier man.

Love ya, brother!!!!

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I don't understand deaf, my father was hard of hearing but i remember hearing America Singing in Leaves of Grass and I was an infant in diapers.

Layton was a poet and I read books. Here is For my Brother Jesus Layton was poet and an essay writer.

I couldn't do city Cacophony and suburbia is my dystopia.

I live in music 24/7 sometimes it is just the heart beats of my lover and best friend and sometime the snoring letting me know how blest I am.



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I am sorry I thought you might have listened.

I just sent to you this morning. It is a lecture on the roots of antisemitism.

I wanted you to hear it I looked for it on your behest. I came across it and thought Charles needs to hear this.

My father was two years older than Irving layton and told me the same thing. He finished high school in Poland before arriving in NYNY. My mother lived near Mrs Steinberg's family in the Jewish ghettos the Steinberg became super wealthy. Irving went to Macdonald College and studied English literature and teaching instead of hamburgology which is part of MacDonalds mandate as MsGil'ls Agricultural School. . I was born after the war still in the ghetto but a little further walk from downtown. My father was a martial artist I live in my own reality.

I was born under the Padlock laws that burned our books and closed our library where the lecture took place in 1976.

I thought Charles will love this and I assumed you would listen. Mea Culpa .


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I lived in Chicago my bridge partner went to school with Sam Cooke. I love the Soul Stirrers and I love the Byrds but but this is how Jesus is just alright should sound.


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Arthur Reid Williams must celebrate everytime anyone records his song. Thanks for sharing that uplifting and melodic version of Jesus is Just Alright.

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That is what my Brother Jesus taught me . I failed Kindergarten I cannot sign my name. It took an entire faculty of education to teach me how to read and write. I do not multitask I can read or I write. I cannot follow simple instructions but I started reading Shakespeare and Walt Whitman before I learned my ABCs and at 75 ABCs are still a challenge. If I could only learn QWERTY.I know Q is a yellow key somewhere on the keyboard.

I am blind and my hearing acute maybe like Van Gogh if thine ears offend thee do not listen to the nonsense. The lecture is 1976 but Israel spoke with a mighty voice and there is a live audience of considerable number for a hot summer afternoon in a library.

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But you are a valuable and beautiful spirit that will prevail over man's pathetic actions. We are all creators of the Almighty's creation and humble in His sight. Jesus has some guidance:

"On this account I say to you: Stop being anxious about your lives as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not life mean more than food and the body than clothing? Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are? Who of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his life span?"

[Matthew 6:25-27]

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Thank PROTECT & SURVIVE. If my wife could get me to listen to Mozart 24/7/365 she would spend the rest of her life in Vienna. As it is I know every note Mozart jotted down and every year in Chicago it was Handel's Messiah and music of the Baroque. Mozart wrote the music to my favourite Opera The Magic Flute the one with the all seeing eye of Freemasonry. Freemasonry was once blashemy punishible by death in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and will be again if Orban can lead a antiCHRISTIAN coalition.

I prefer The Unvarnished NEW TESTAMENT translated from the original Greek 1991 Phanes but the Aramaic translation Holy Bible 1933 A Holman (Harper Collins) is kind of where I come from there were no Jews allowed in England when James wrote his ENGLISH BIBLE.

From the Aramaic

For this reason, I say to you. Do not worry for your life, what you will eat and what you will drink, nor for your body, what you will wear. Behold, is not life much more important than food, and the body than clothing?

Observe the birds of the sky, for they do not sow, neither do they harvest nor gather into barns, and your Father in heaven feeds them. Are you not much more important than they?

Who is among you who by worrying can add one cubit to his STATURE.

28 Why do you worry about clothing? Observe the wild flowers , how they grow ; they do not get tired out, nor do they spin.

I invite your comments but I am a mystic and Mystic Quests require questions not answers.

I studied first century Judaism and roots of Christianity. They spoke Aramaic like those in Gaza but languages evolve and Hebrew is ancient Aramaic and you need to listen and ask questions. Bill, Charles and I seek truth in a world of lies. Mystics seek a place that does not exist in your world; a place of balance and harmony. A place of truth.

Jesus is all us that is DEISM. That is The American Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth written for all mankind.

Jefferson called the constitution an abomination. He used Johnson's Dictionary to understand English not the Federalist John Adams Greek and Latin law library. Jefferson was an English liberal philosopher who studied evolution not ancient superstitions. Jefferson had a Koran and knew Torah. He was a SOCRATIC Philosopher and saw ancient tablets crumble into dust. He was an evolutionary botanist improving on God's perfection. He loved Jesus the man . Jefferson believed in science not prayer just like Jesus of Nazareth.

"Clothes make the man. Naked people have no influence." Mark Twain

Samuel L. Clemens a man who believed in Jesus and hated religion and ignorance.

Matthew 6 25-28

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Thanks I needed this.


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Thank you Moe - you are ahead of me - I am a simple fellow and know little of philosphy - I just follow Jesus and his teachings which to date I have been unable to refute.



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Perhaps I can help. Here is my favourite 20 century theologian explaining what went wrong.

I have a large library section devoted to mystique traditions. My fathers , fathers fathers were DEISTS. Samuel Johnson called us Cabalists in his 1755 Dictionary of the language


In answer to you question here is one of our greatest 20th century masters speaking at The Jewish Public Library in Montreal in 1976.

I hope truth is not offensive to your ears. I do have an extensive theological library but I only talk mysticism with mystics.


The copy of For My Brother Jesus lies beside my computer covered with tea and coffee stains if you want more truth I can assist. Enjoy this kind of truth is forbidden inn America as you will realize listen to a truthteller. The book is available online and free of charge.

I owe you and Bill a lot . You were friends but this I know my father taught me about religion on his knee. It is all parable and no history.I start with John Ralston SAul who John Ralston Saul or his wife who Irving got all wrong in hisd his book called The Covenant Jewish prophets are Deists and sing the HENENI like Leonard Cohen. Irving's student.

You want it Darker. I promised a Buddhist Monk I would learn to write so could write on Jewish mysticism he wrote books on ancient mystical traditions.


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Thank you. A spiritual walk takes many twists and turns for the sincere seeker. For years I considered myself a Christian Buddhist and the Central Path is central to my meditations.

You da man, Moe!

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Thanks Charles.

Is it Praying Manti or preying mantis?


A favorite distinction of Western philosophers is between dualistic and monistic experiences.

My Buddhist Monk friend was a PhD in education whose father studied the Kabbalah of Alistair Crowley who Kabbala was all magic, my father was a Kabbalist who didn't believe in magic he was a DEIST like Jefferson, Franklin and Mark Twain. Mark Twain understood Russian and Yiddish he echoed the sentiment of the Jews who built synagogues in Crimea before Russians had Czars and Patriarchs and Twain understood the Heneni and wrote The American Claimant and Twain joined Tchaikovsky in yelling Death to the Czar

Life is short, Break the Rules. Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly. Love truly. Laugh uncontrollably And never regret ANYTHING That makes you smile.

Mark Twain

The problem with mysticism is it is not always about life and our brothers but about greed and self aggrandizement. Judaism is about balance and equilibrium. The Holocaust began in Havana May 27, 1939 when ROOSEVELT said One is to Many to the Captain of The SS St Louis and even Gaza and Palestine refused to allow Jewish Refugees sanctuary.

Palestinians are also the sons of Abraham's eldest in our tale of Romulus and Remus and Pandora's Jar. You read YOUR Bible who is Abraham's rightful inheritor Israel or Ismael? Am I my brother's keeper?

Leah and Sarah were property and Ismael the eldest son.

Welcome to the Moezone.

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Mark Twain was the Will Rogers/Tucker Carlson of America's Golden Age.

As regards your question, it is PRAYING MANTIS style wushu. Check out Amazon.com. I edited 10 books (by Roger D. Hagood) on that particular style. I suspect it's the fact that those bugs' front legs look like they are praying before they kill and eat their prey.

The link you posted was excellent. As synchronicity would have it, I was a student at William James College in Allendale, MI before TJC (Thomas Jefferson College), WJC, and CAS (college of arts and science) combined to create Grand Valley State University.

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I pay taxes in Michigan's Calvinist country. I always found it interesting that it was Calvinists who brought Jews to America and American Jewry is so Unitarian like Milton, Newton and Locke. America was all democratic in 1689 under the toleration when William of Orange and Mary were joint heads of state and had no power.

Why do you listen to what shysters tell you is the constitution instead of using Johnson's Dictionary it was written in English and Johnson's Dictionary is easy to understand. Religion is the belief in Heaven and Hell and an eternity of hell fire and damnation or perpetual bliss? America had a revolution because the Quebec Act was Intolerable it made Roman Catholics first class citizens. There were no Jews allowed in England when the Civil War began after the Roman Catholic genocides and the bloodiest war in English history was between Zealous English Protestants and no so zealous English Protestants' you called its continuance the Civil War..

Adams Law library was Latin and Greek

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I'm enjoying talking with you Moe. I must admit that I've never heard of Johnson's Dictionary. As a one-time Adventist, I do not agree that religion is the belief in Heaven and Hell. Even as a little boy, I remember asking my granny (her dad was a circuit rider for the Free Methodist church) why our "loving spiritual father" would torment his creations for eternity because of a misunderstanding.

As Biden continues to maneuver the world into a 3rd world war, I am looking forward to perpetual bliss as a free-floating spirit exploring the universes.

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Please, Not an Adventist. We lived over an hour out of Yellowknife and the only fresh produce was in Yellowknife and Friday the sunset at 2 and we did our shopping on Friday. The leader of our community understood Yellowknife is subarctic not Mediterranean. The Sabbath begins 7:30 in December and 7:30 June its always next year in Jerusalem..

If I am not for myself who am I for. Hillel

Shall we talk about Thomas More?

I belong to the Thomas More Institute of Montreal dedicated to life long learning.

The Thomas More Society is dedicated to perpetuating ignorance and an infinity of decay and corruption.

Two different Utopias same Thomas More

What about Shakers and be fruitful and multiply?

Did Jesus have children? What's marriage when there is nothing to inherit? Joseph couldn't afford the Motel Six.

What you call Judaism is not what I call Judaism my father hated Scholastic Judaism it is 16th century European and we love Rabbis and hate Rabbinates the quest is individual not Marxist.

Want to buy a ExEnglish speaking Roman Catholic Church normally the French Cathedral one doesn't have a minyan but it was packed November 12 Remembrance Day weekend.

I love this conversation but I use a kindergarten keyboard and still search for every key and hope what I type with the middle finger of my right hand doesn't disappear from the screen. I need to take a break typing is very difficult.

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I am a Christian and even in my cult days I was. There are some aspects of Hinduism I like though. For a time when asked what religion I was I would answer ‘I’m a Hare Christian’. Said with a straight face.

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It is 1AM Saturday. I was thinking all day of the Prodigal son. My nephew lives in Oshawa with his wife and year old daughter.

this story gave me hope.


The Talmud teaches he who thinks upon these things it would be better if he were not born. My father taught me a real Jew questions whether the Talmud can trusted. That is why on the Day of Atonement as the gates are closing we read our story of Leviathan. I am going to bed I am expecting a too business day Mary Poppins used my phone number to get quotes on renovations and she must make the decisions I don't know how to make decisions I just know how to ask questions. I can only do metaphysics. I am a useless idiot. till the next time; thank you for being a friend

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It is AMERICAN Thanksgiving and I am thankful for America it has given me a lot but its been at quite a cost. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.

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